There are two type of God - A. one that exists, and B. one that doesn't exist.
From the perspective of faith, men too are of two type -
1. philosophers - those who believe in the-God-that-exists, and those who don't believe in the-God-that-doesn't-exist,
and
2. poets - those who don't believe in the-God-that-exists, and those who believe in the-God-that-doesn't-exist.
Man is combination of these two types - pragmatists and idealists, and his mind is a battlefield of beliefs and disbeliefs.
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- Do you believe in God?
- Don't you feel that this question is irrelevant to us?
- No.
- OK. Which God are you talking about - the one who has created us, or the one whom we have created?
- Well, the former one.
- Do you mean the latter is different?
- Yes.
- OK. And how do you know the former?
- Common sense - the world can not be created without a creator?
- By the same logic, the creator can not be created without another creator.
- Nice logic. But unlike language, God is not limited by logic. He is beyond logic.
- Then don't you think that He should be kept out of language, and our discussion?
- And out of our meditation as well?
- Depends. But thinking about gravity doesn't help the falling man.
- Do you mean to say that God is indifferent to Man?
- Decide that for yourself. Or take a survey if you please. But we can not meditate upon something we don't know. We can not meditate unless we have an object of meditation. Besides, our knowledge is limited by our senses. How can we know Him if He wants to hide Himself from us?
- It's not as simple as you think. Moreover, do you think man can survive without God?
- Now which God are you talking about - the one whom the philosopher-king has created?
- Yes.
- I don't know. Depends. Tell me - does faith makes a man a better man?
- I think so.
- I wish it were true.
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God represents Man's weaknesses.
The-God-that-exists (or God that we know of) is omnipotent - He can do things that Man can only imagine. He is not limited by Man's limitations; or is He? Doesn't He suffer from Man's weaknesses?
Even He is not above His ego. He is justice for all, yet it is well-known that He has soft corner for his devout worshipers, even if they are law-breakers. Flattery, in any language, is music to His divine ears. Like Man, even God is helpless before ego massage.
Even He gets angry once in a while. And when he gets angry, He also wants self-affirmation. He wants blood - to pacify him, something 'dear' needs to be sacrificed. No wonder every religion has rituals having animal sacrifice, where the poor animal is a mere token of something 'dear'.
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God represents Man's ignorance.
The-God-that-exists explains everything that Man can not. He fills all the gaps in Man's thoughts. And the more the gaps, the more the God.
Man can not understand randomness. He can not understand injustice done to him. He feels nervous amid all the chaos around him. God gives an order to the chaos. He has laws of Karma or the day of judgment, taking care of all the iniquities on earth. He consoles Man, soothes Man, and makes things tolerable.
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to be continued...
From the perspective of faith, men too are of two type -
1. philosophers - those who believe in the-God-that-exists, and those who don't believe in the-God-that-doesn't-exist,
and
2. poets - those who don't believe in the-God-that-exists, and those who believe in the-God-that-doesn't-exist.
Man is combination of these two types - pragmatists and idealists, and his mind is a battlefield of beliefs and disbeliefs.
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- Do you believe in God?
- Don't you feel that this question is irrelevant to us?
- No.
- OK. Which God are you talking about - the one who has created us, or the one whom we have created?
- Well, the former one.
- Do you mean the latter is different?
- Yes.
- OK. And how do you know the former?
- Common sense - the world can not be created without a creator?
- By the same logic, the creator can not be created without another creator.
- Nice logic. But unlike language, God is not limited by logic. He is beyond logic.
- Then don't you think that He should be kept out of language, and our discussion?
- And out of our meditation as well?
- Depends. But thinking about gravity doesn't help the falling man.
- Do you mean to say that God is indifferent to Man?
- Decide that for yourself. Or take a survey if you please. But we can not meditate upon something we don't know. We can not meditate unless we have an object of meditation. Besides, our knowledge is limited by our senses. How can we know Him if He wants to hide Himself from us?
- It's not as simple as you think. Moreover, do you think man can survive without God?
- Now which God are you talking about - the one whom the philosopher-king has created?
- Yes.
- I don't know. Depends. Tell me - does faith makes a man a better man?
- I think so.
- I wish it were true.
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God represents Man's weaknesses.
The-God-that-exists (or God that we know of) is omnipotent - He can do things that Man can only imagine. He is not limited by Man's limitations; or is He? Doesn't He suffer from Man's weaknesses?
Even He is not above His ego. He is justice for all, yet it is well-known that He has soft corner for his devout worshipers, even if they are law-breakers. Flattery, in any language, is music to His divine ears. Like Man, even God is helpless before ego massage.
Even He gets angry once in a while. And when he gets angry, He also wants self-affirmation. He wants blood - to pacify him, something 'dear' needs to be sacrificed. No wonder every religion has rituals having animal sacrifice, where the poor animal is a mere token of something 'dear'.
*************************************************
God represents Man's ignorance.
The-God-that-exists explains everything that Man can not. He fills all the gaps in Man's thoughts. And the more the gaps, the more the God.
Man can not understand randomness. He can not understand injustice done to him. He feels nervous amid all the chaos around him. God gives an order to the chaos. He has laws of Karma or the day of judgment, taking care of all the iniquities on earth. He consoles Man, soothes Man, and makes things tolerable.
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to be continued...
7 comments:
Please, please... Stop!
Don't take G-d's name in vain.
Allow me to explain:
God is neither Shiv nor Shakti. Period. Shiv is creator, shakti si creation. God is neither. He is beyond, complete and other than all this while permeating everything.
We exist in creation. That is why we pray to Shakti. What is outside of us, other than us, need not necessarily be God. It could be Shiv. God is above this combination. Like proton and electron together do not make attraction and replusion. It is their difference and similarity that does. So there are laws above Shiv and Shakti.
I don't know why I am bothering with all this. Simplest way to God is to love.
Sanket,
You know so ****ing much!!
You are one of those philosophers who confuse others by talking in length about poet's God, the one-who-doesn't-exist, the one beyond existence, the one beyond the very scope of language. I have already asked you not to talk about someone who is beyond the scope of language. If you want to meditate, shut your mouth and meditate! But no, you must talk!
In any case, this new God seems interesting to me. Having outsourced the thankless work of creation to poor Shiv, He kept Himself beyond the blames and criticisms that followed creation. Smart Boy! He just permeates! How does it matter to you if He just permeates!
Moreover, in the domain of Shiv-Shakti, Nothing and Nobody is beyond Shiv. Shiv is 'what is beyond'. What makes you add another layer here?
As far as Love is concerned, I have no issues. :)
You ridicule me, and I must accept it. After all, it was I who saw "to be continued" and was seduced into talking...
I fight with you tooth and nail dear. I don't ridicule you. :)
- abhi*
Ok, fight; but what with, exactly?
And I may just tell you something, since you claim I know more: there are two methods to meditate - asamprajnata and samprajnata. Similarly, there are two ways to meditate: point and country (tejobindu and desh). You focus your energy in a country and move towards its focal point. We can talk in samprajnata; we cannot in asamprajnata samadhi. You don't have to react to what I am saying (by being stith-pragya); if you can grasp my compassion for your potential, you would grace me with the best response you can ever give: understanding.
There is a lot lot lot to learn... One life is just too short.
Discussion on methods and ways of meditation is out of context, out of scope, and out of sense here.
Why don't you stay in the ring? Why do you run away and make funny faces?
Ah! You know so much!!
I fight in my own peaceful mannar: you have to tell what you are fighting with?
Puchchi!
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